Why I consider myself an agnostic (and left Christianity behind me)
69Prologue: A Backdrop
I'll admit that in my absence from writing, a lot has changed for me on a personal level. Approximately two years of disdain for the pen, or in this case the keyboard, I've undergone a drastic change of philosophy and faith (or lack thereof). Those who had faithfully read my monologues before, thank you for that devotion, I don't believe I deserved it. I spent the greater part of those years defending those who I now disdain (healthily, mind you, not mindlessly).
Rewind the videotape--if they still exist--two years if you will. In this still you see a mid-twenties american male, white, somewhat successful, though not monetarily, but overall perceives life as happy, carefree, joyful, and often times not as bad as others seem to see it. Though a pessimist by nature, he was still capable of seeing the glass as at least partially full, albeit never totally full. Isn't that the way it always works in the end anyway?
He was married, and in his world, away from the remainder of the world, he was happy. He had his issues, but the dream of a better life not consumed with struggle drove him to support his love for his mate, his job, his dreams, and ideally his future. He struggled with the simple concept of faith (after all, he'd grown up being told to just believe, the details aren't important after all!), but he clung to it. He read about it. He studied it, amidst other venues of venting the seemingly never solidified views he argued for on an almost daily basis. Not because everyone else was wrong, of course, but because he desperately wanted to make it HIS.
Thus begins the epic failure of Timothy Keeley...
Chapter 1: The Younger Years
At the ripe young age of 22 I made the mistake of marriage. The background here is that:
1) Marriage is a consecrated ordination designed by God
2) Sex before this consecration is illegal. No ifs, ands, or buts. God has final say, and dare not question this bastion of absolutes.
3) Your family will disown you outside of this, the only crime worse than such is being a homosexual.
I changed my life. I moved south away from those who I'm related to. I got a job. I got a house. I proceeded to put myself in "better" shape. It was, after all, the American Way. There was nothing else that was taught to me otherwise. "Work, sleep, work, sleep, occasionally eat, etc." Oh, and don't forget attend church at least thrice a week, even if it's not in the Bible.
I thought for the longest time this is what made people happy and successful. The 50s was ripe with this attitude, and that period of time was portrayed by fellow "believers" to be such a utopia. I wanted desperately to join in the hunt, to be a part of buying shares in the afterlife.
After 3 years of marriage things started to unravel. For the better part of the third year I struggled personally with a major conflict: Jesus vs. Drugs. I was taught growing up that pills were never the answer to mental or emotional problems, "our saviour" was. I'd been diagnosed with ADHD as a child, though never medicated for it, and as a result I never was able to reach the potential my professors told me I was capable of in college. Even in high school there was advice to pursue a treatment for this disorder, yet nothing happened.
Not saying ADHD is really an insurmountable issue. I've found ways to cope, ways to focus, etc. But it's no lie that my IQ scores ranked in the genius range, my math and science skills far exceeded my peers, and my ability to analyze anything I wanted to was on the tier of fictional greats like Sherlock Holmes. I didn't really care at the time, I was a social outcast, trying to fit in and never successfully finding my niche. I couldn't stay focused, I couldn't connect, and I still find myself being the "crazy" one in a circle of friends.
During this year of my life, I left the church I'd been attending, disillusioned by the lack of faith I'd never been able to conquer. I wanted to believe so much, yet every step I tried making forward only threw me backwards into more skepticism and disbelief. I'll refrain from quoting the bible, I think we all know that does little good anyway. For it to carry weight one has to believe it is what it claims to be, but self proclamation never holds a candle in any group of ... well .... anything else, especially science. Those who are that narcissistic are tossed away as a joke. Why is the bible, or God for that matter, exempt?
Chapter 2: Evolution
Following this transitional period of time, I became heavily depressed. The entire infrastructure of my life as I'd known it crumbled apart at the seams, collapsing in a void of confusion, anger, resentment, and heartache. When things started to stabilize, it was merely the calm before the storm.
Divorce happened, and rocked my world. I'd finally found where I stood and what I wanted to pursue philosophically, and then the d-word occurred. Now I'd not thrown away the concept of God, nor had I denounced my faith. I merely was asking questions. I ask "why" about everything, because what else can we do? Is it wrong? Based on the punishments that followed, God doesn't like people doing anything but blind slave labor. Therefore, based upon that premise, God is a maniacal dictator playing chess with our lives.
Divorce followed foreclosure on the house, because on one income I couldn't afford it anymore. I lost my job, which only complicated things. I withdrew from my band, my one outlet for peace and release. I had no family locally (that was a result of the marriage) so I had no moral or emotional support of family. At the time, it didn't bother me, but looking back, it definitely took its toll.
The relation to faith: I trusted in God to ensure that he'd always look out for me. After all, "his eye is on the sparrow"...this didn't mean that he'd not "allow bad things to happen" (when in fact he causes bad things to happen, which I'll approach later), nor that "he won't try one beyond his ability to withstand temptation" (where the bible clearly states that God will not tempt ANY man, for one cannot say "he is tempted of God", etc.). It means when we "ask anything in his name, he will give it." Clearly there's a lot of promises God cannot keep. I never asked for the world. I only asked for my love back, my life back, even my faith. The only thing that happened was the opposite reaction. I heard "the devil is powerful, he'll do whatever he can to cause you to falter", etc., but the devil is a tool of God. God, being totally omnipotent, cannot exist with a counterpart shirking his reign. Even Satan, yes, is a power tool of the heavenly father. That is unequivocally a fact, and I've heard every argument against it, and it's all illogical and bogus shit.
The key here is this: God is omnipotent. That is an absolute statement about an absolutely powerful entity in an absolutely unaccountable scenario. He answers to NO ONE.
Why would a God claim to "test the faith" of a poor soul who only ever tried understanding him, his nature, his people, or even just himself as a person?
God is, after all, capable of snapping his fingers and destroying everything he is claimed to have created. Why wouldn't he help someone on the verge of suicide? "Only he knows" is the cop out answer, "he's a maniac" is far more apt for the argument in this case.
When religion fails to bring you happiness, no matter how hard you try to buy into it, the only natural response is to abandon it.
And so I did.
Chapter 3: Where Evolution Placed Me
I look around and see the beauty of the earth, but having studied science for so long I also understand the complexity and the nature therein, as well as marvel at what I don't know. In fact, the idea of God creating everything made it all seem so lame. In fact, it still does. I marvel daily and wonder what caused trees to be trees, flies to be flies, and so on and so forth. God merely dumbs everything down, because it's cut and dry: he did it, accept it, and you better not question how or why or when, because you'll go to hell.
Ah hell...the idea that an all loving God would send his loved creatures to a pit of fire for eternity so that only the select few that were accepted by him (people don't, in fact, accept him, the idea of free will is entirely a figment of imagination by people to comfort their narcissism even more than it normally would be--religion is by all conceivable definitions a crutch for the weak spirited, since they cannot grasp the greater wonder of a universe free of this "game").
The bible never supports free will. If it does, it's equally contradicted by verse after verse of the Father choosing his people. The jews? Already chosen. In fact, if a jew rebelled...well, read the whole old testament to find out! And this idea that christians should ignore the OT and only care about the NT? That's bogus, because it's the same God. He has the same nature now and forever, based on the bible. Christians go to heaven, everyone else goes to hell. That is not natural selection, it's fascism. God is hardly separated from Hitler by what accounts I've read about in the enormous historical content contained in the bible itself.
Hell is a punishment for the wicked who did not choose their sin, it was given to them by Adam and Eve, who ate from a tree, and then were told they would die. There was a talking snake too.
Now, the bible is either a boring version of the Chronicles of Narnia, or it's superstition (the latter is more likely, since people in the past were far more prone to supernaturalism than they are today in the dawn of the scientific age). When Darwin released "The Origin of Species", christians lost their cool, because it bucked their comfort zone. Religion as a whole cannot exist without fear, and fear is merely a tool to control. So Hell was created to instill fear in people and cause them to dread dying without this faith, and with this faith comes money (which in the bible is said to be the root of all evil, but you'll never see a pastor truly preach against it in America, because hard work = money = entitlement = neglecting those without money).
I decided then and there to toss all of it away. I lost too much sleep, I spent too long arguing to the air (because God never answered a single question at all, not once, not ever) and for a being to possess such power and ignore the simplest of requests is just idiotic. So I deduced God either doesn't care, doesn't exist, or just is a dick.
I still think there's something out there, but like evolution we've discovered explanations for things once assumed supernatural. We no longer beat mental patients whilst they are chained to posts. We don't burn witches (at least not the people I know), etc.
When the day is done, has God done ANYTHING for you? If he does exist, is he listening to your prayers he already knew you'd say and clearly didn't change his mind?
After all, fate is fate. If something good happens, your prayers didn't make it happen. And you cannot blame the bad on the devil, that's just not fair, because God uses the devil. So in fact God causes every harm upon you, every good thing, every pain, every suffering, every joyful moment, and all in the name of "don't ask why, cuz you see how I answered Job like a BOSS!"
Really God? You and Satan bet, Job is the one who lost, and he merely asked why. Then you harp on him for asking a question? No thank you, I'd rather go to hell.
Conclusion: I'm All Screwed Up!
You've read it. It's scatterbrained, a little cynical, and probably offensive to at least half the population that will read this. But wake up, smell the coffee, and let loose. Look at reality.
Faith isn't something you shouldn't be able to explain. Everything has an explanation, and even if you don't own that explanation, an omnipotent God could certainly take 5 minutes out of your lifetime to answer a simple damned question you ask. Anything less is not very loving.
Kind of like hell, labor, war, murder, rape, incest, adultery, and demonism. The problem? All those were used by God while the bible claims God does no evil. Yet God uses evil to damage his people and those not "his"? Little bit like a napoleon complex if you ask me.
I don't disavow the existence of God. I just wonder what in hell he has in mind when the only people who believe in him are probably more likely to be diagnosed as insane than I am.
After all, the winners write the history books...and my book sucks.
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Sounds to me like you have discovered religion (and a belief in god) is just a placebo. Once you know the pill is only sugar, you can start to look at reality for what it is.
Sounds like you have been through the wringer, but I suspect you will become a better person out the other side of it. And there will be another side if you want there to be. :D
No Majik, No Super Being, No Empty Promises, No Placebo - only you can make it happen and even trying is a success. Because - sometimes peopel DO get given more than they can handle - you seem to be doing just fine though.
I recommend ignoring the religious drivel the religionists will throw at you though - they need to claim some authority where they have none. lol
Good luck. :D
t.keeley,
Congratulations. You have escaped the clutches of cognitive disonnance that affects any thinking believer. Now, all you have to do is rebuild yourself minus the hocus-pocus of god.
I speak from experience. If grounded early in belief, the belief becomes entwined with ego as to be inseparable, so when belief dies it is quite like a death of self. Fortunately, this is not a biological death but a psychological expiration.
The first thing I would tell you is that anything that can be done using god as motivation can be done without having god. Some of those activities (note action)create a positive feedback that is essential to self worth. One does not have to believe in any god to do selfless acts of kindness and reap the benefits of those actions. It is nature's law of action and consequences that provide the reward, not a god.
Emotions are based on chemicals released into our bloodstream. We are not required to act in concert with those emotions. Action alters emotion. The way to cure writer's block is to write.
Welcome back to the real world where humans are not unique and special and chosen but are simply another life form on a planet that produces thousands of different types of life. Relax. It is totally O.K. to be a human and do human things.
No one needs forgiveness for that.
Believing in God is not going to give you a great life on Earth, many people teach that but it is not true. Eternity is what believing in God is all about.
As Claire said, people send themselves to Hell because of sin. God is just and must deal with sin. Just as a judge in the legal system has to deal with breaking the law. The big difference is that Jesus paid the price for sin against God, for everyone if you want it.
Evolution. How can anyone look at the beauty on earth and think that it all happened by chance? How did life come out of nothing by chance? Why are there no creatures that are partially evolved? Even Darwin himself said that he didn't believe that the human eye could ever happen by chance.You need to have much more faith to believe that evolution is real over creation than you do to have faith in God.
You have faith in many different things. You also have to believe many things that you can't see, or can't prove through science, that have nothing to do with God. Science also changes. All the top scientists thought the Earth was flat until 600 or so years ago, the Bible talks about the Earth being a sphere Isaiah 40:22, that was written around 700 BC.
Look at this website needgod.com
My fellow Irishman; 0)
Loved it ..it was like listening to some guy vent at the local back home...Miss those pubs where the religious right and the PC people would not find a welcoming ear as the only free will they practice is controlling everyone else’s!!!! Moreover, we would freely kick them out: 0)
You are searching for truth and this is a wonderful thing ...questioning everything..Even the great almighty himself and he will not fall of his throne in shock...more likely applause your honesty....
Forgive me but I was laughing and smiling as I read your sorrowful road.
I have been where you have been and left the religious lot behind me.
Of Course, if I want to see them again all I have to do is go on the religious forums here and argue until eternity! Sorry not a man for arguments...no one ever wins..ever:0)
Heck I grew up catholic..Need I say more...got saved then came to America and met born again religious quick buck Christianity and then my depression set in LOL..
T man I`m not going to try and convince you or give you answers that’s what religion does and now your more confused than ever :0)
All this to say. My heart feels for you and love your honest rant..feels good does it not...I went through missions ...leadership...divorce etc and then walked away from it all...Why?
Well I loved and still do love God but many of the religious people who claim to know and follow him Stink...all most of them ever attemped to do was change me to thier way of thinking..
All I wanted was someone to listen to me be a friend and love me unconditionally...heck that’s what Hitler Did he would be a great infomercial BS`er or Heaven forbid religious leader..After all the Nazi was just another belief system controlled by man...
I went off and traveled questioned everything, yep cursed swore and got real...nope not been struck by lightning yet... even quit reading the bible...besides think about it the 12 apostles / first christians did not have bible study’s...heck they had no Bibles...they just had the holy spirit and fellowship and pretty much the same problems we have today...their fellow man...most people are not so much angry at God its his so called followers...
I do not trust anyone...I mean that I only trust the God I have come to know and love and not by reading his word..Anyone can read and memorize the bible but it does not make them a Christian or bring them closer to god no matter how many degrees in theology they have...
Of course I read the bible...but it’s not an idol...I got to know God first after I put him through the wringer and went my own way to find out for myself and out there we met in the world of reality...I personally now he is real..Loves me unconditionally and is there for me 24/7 and no man or school taught me that...I never had any mentors growing up and still do not have any..only the holy spirit...so that in the end I will not say man or the devil made me do it...but I did it and I know because he revealed himself to me personally….and that I can take to the bank
No My job is not to convice you or change you that would be the crime of religion in my eyes…no its just to love you uncoditionaly and put you in Gods loving hands where you belong …
Have a great new year my friend as you continue on down the road of truth and I know this for sure he will meet you in a very personal way…the how and when I have no idea as I`m just a mere mortal fellow Irishman who does not have the answers and as we both know religion does not have either…Love ay Bro!!!!!
Mike :0)
Ps Thanks for reading my Rant ..LOL Cheers…have a Guinness for me …SLAINTE!!!!!
Ps` saw some great spelling errors in there...well you get the gest of it LOL!!!!!
Continuing what Spease said, macro-evolution is just crazy to me. How can the human body in all its complexity just gradually evolve? What did it evolve from in the beginning? There's a reason why DNA is considered the blueprint of life: It takes a designer.
Dear me. A person bears his soul and religious nuts start attacking proven scientific facts to defend their ridiculous beliefs with no regard for anyone's feelings. :(
Can you give me the proven facts that show what happened in the beginning and how it eventually assembled all the organs of the body together and people suddenly got consciousness? It does seem bizarre to me.
Good to see you back, Mr Keeley - sorry to hear that you had a hard time of it, but it sounds like you are discovering inner peace and finding your own path. Although I ended up with slightly different answers, I asked the same questions as you. It gets easier from here.
As for the creation of beauty etc. - although I prefer to enjoy the sun setting over the Greek mountains without worrying too much about the 'why,' I found that Chaos Theory ties up many loose ends.
I sincerely hope that giving up the music is only temporary :)














Claire Evans Level 2 Commenter 4 months ago
I think it's healthy that you wrote this hub. You've been taught all wrong about the perception of what God is and, unfortunately, it is too common.
I'd just like to address a few points:
As a Christian, it is a consecrated ordination by God. People need to put the "sex before marriage" thing in context. Back when the Bible was written, women and men were in their early teens when they got married; women as young as twelve. It's the twenty first century now. Many only get married over thirty. I'm not approving of casual sex but if two unmarried people love one another, why not?
God loves homosexuals and much as straight people. He doesn't discriminate.
What you have been taught about God has given you a warped perception of Him. Regarding the medication, would people reject treatment for burn wounds if Jesus can just fix it? It's just a ridiculous few to have. We have the privilege of modern medicine and God wants us to benefit from it.
I suspect your perception of God is deep-rooted in the Old Testament. Are you aware much of it is based on paganism? For example, it was a pagan practice to sacrifice the first born son. The many numerals is indicate of occult numerology. Don't make the mistake of thinking God is the way He is depicted in the Old Testament. A slave driver is someone who would never take no as an answer and how many people have said no to God? He doesn't force them to serve Him. A God with an ego would not stand for rejection.
“…nor that "he won't try one beyond his ability to withstand temptation" (where the bible clearly states that God will not tempt ANY man, for one cannot say "he is tempted of God", etc.).”
This means that God will not allow someone to endure something that he/she doesn’t have the capabilities of resisting.
“It means when we "ask anything in his name, he will give it."
When you ask for something in God’s name, it means we ask God to give us things according to His will. That doesn’t mean we get everything we want; only those things that will be to our good that refines us spiritually. If He gave us everything we wanted, He’d be nothing more than a genie.
The devil is not a tool from God because he wasn’t created by God. I know Genesis regurgitates that nonsense but Genesis is based on the pagan Sumerian Text so it hardly pertains to the Holy Spirit.
“Why would a God claim to "test the faith" of a poor soul who only ever tried understanding him, his nature, his people, or even just himself as a person?”
The test of faith is not to play cat and mouse with someone. Without going through a difficult time and not drawing on faith, how would we ever learn to trust God? Jesus was tested many times. He sometimes felt despair because he often didn’t know where He’d spend the night.
“God is, after all, capable of snapping his fingers and destroying everything he is claimed to have created. Why wouldn't he help someone on the verge of suicide? "Only he knows" is the cop out answer, "he's a maniac" is far more apt for the argument in this case.”
Had that suicidal person ever established a relationship with God or trusted and obeyed Him? I could never presume to know the mind of suicidal people but I do know that God never gives you more than you can take. I know that for a fact personally.
“Ah hell...the idea that an all loving God would send his loved creatures to a pit of fire for eternity so that only the select few that were accepted by him”
God doesn’t send anyone to hell. They send themselves there. If someone thrives on evil and won’t repent, what must God do? Give them a pass into heaven? Evil people don’t want to go to heaven. As for non-believers, I don’t believe for one minute people go to hell for not believing in this life. Many factors feature against people that drive a wedge between them and God. God understands that and so we are given the opportunity in death where we will know the full truth whether to accept Him or not.
“ The bible never supports free will. If it does, it's equally contradicted by verse after verse of the Father choosing his people. The jews? Already chosen. In fact, if a jew rebelled...well, read the whole old testament to find out! And this idea that christians should ignore the OT and only care about the NT? That's bogus, because it's the same God.”
Who’s to say that is it all the same God? I have no doubt that God’s influence does feature in the OT but very little according to my knowledge of the OT. In fact, Satan and God are often merged under name: Yahweh. So often when you get disgusted with “God” in the OT, you are actually reading about Satan. Allow me to elaborate.
First of all, the Jews worshipped many gods and so “God” throughout the OT is not the monotheistic God. In the OT, God is referred to as Elohim but Elohim is actually a plural and reads “gods”. This is referred when it says in Genesis: “Let US make man in our image”. I think “God” is a myriad of different pagan gods. As I mentioned earlier, pagans often sacrificed their first born and Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac, his first born. The early Hebrews worshipped the serpent god of the Sumer Empire and the Levites, who wrote the Torah, were known as the “Sons of the Great Serpent”. Yahweh was depicted as half a human and half a snake and the Levites worshipped him as Leviathan, hence the name. They placed bronze and copper serpent symbols on the altars of their temples. Remember the story where God said if the Jews look at the brazen symbol, they would be healed from the snake bites? It’s very clear who God is here: Leviathan.
Jesus came to correct the corrupted idea of God, which to the chagrin of the high priests.
“When the day is done, has God done ANYTHING for you? If he does exist, is he listening to your prayers he already knew you'd say and clearly didn't change his mind?”
More than I could ever imagine. A pray should end with, “Let your will be done”. Then His will becomes fate.
“Yet God uses evil to damage his people and those not "his"?”
Not to damage people. If good can come out of evil, He will use it. If it will make you a more refined person that will derive happiness from a strengthened trust in God, then He will allow it. It’s called passive will. Remember, Jesus didn’t have a rosy time on earth. He died a terrible death.
Hope this helps.